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Sunday, July 12, 2015

TORQUE RELATED EPC ISSUES

FUEL PRESSURE EPC PROBLEMS

EPC problems are a pain in the butt, they just complicate your life, make you late for appointments, leave you stranded on highways when you least expect it.  Makes you curse and cuss and make you want to fit a accelerator cable but these issues as not limited to VAG cars, as can be seen in the pics. At times EPC faults even endanger your life when they occur on the freeways, especially in fast flowing traffic when limp mode doesn't even enable you to get your vehicle off the road and out of harms way quick enough as not to be the cause of an accident. EPC fault are so darn frustrating. EPC faults are so  time consuming and EPC faults are so expensive to repair, hence many a VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat driver attempts to self diagnosis and repair their own vehicles. I have found that EPC faults can be really crappy to diagnose because the ECU's  firmware and switching hardware is in control and operates at high speed and therefor cannot be measured, unless you have a multi-channel digital storage oscilloscope. Since there are not ECU timing charts available to accurately pinpoint the causes of ECU problems, we hear many stories, in which the VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat agents are stymied by the EPC light, loss of acceleration and limp mode home. Several Audi, VW, Seat and Skoda driver can relate such stories. Stories  of taking their vehicles to the relevant sevice agent only to be told that they found nothing wrong, with the car, they then clear the DTCs saying it was just a sporadic / isolated event or often times they suspect and change some expensive components,  exorbitantly  bill for it, yet never solve the problem because within two or three days the EPC problem strikes again. This peculiarity of the EPC problem tends to go away the following day and the car drives as if there was never any problem. It is so intermittent that the vehicle just borders on becoming unreliable. That really sucks.


What I have found,  is that when an EPC related problem occurs, a DTC is flagged and stored in memory for later retrieval, meanwhile the EPC light is triggered and stays on, with the result that the engine only revs to 1200 RPM. Since the light is already on, even if a second or third EPC problem occurs, there is no way to tell because additional EPC problems won't make the yellow /amber EPC light glow any brighter. However if the DTC of the first EPC fault is different from the second of third, additional DTCs will be observed when the memory is retrieved. Should an EPC fault occur and trigger the EPC light, and a second is not undetected over a successive distance of approximately 1000 km, it is automatically erased from the memory and the EPC light will go off. EPC light problems are predominantly found on electronic Drive by Wire systems because they are torque driven. Whenever a problem occurs in the electronic Drive by Wire circuit, the EPC circuit / system acts as a safety measure to prevent injury to the occupants and the car itself by going into limp mode.


It is quite common for the PWM Signal from the ECU to the fuel pump control module to fail, resulting in the EPC light switching on and the vehicle going into limp mode. It is quite easy to verify whether or not the ECU was at fault because by disconnecting the battery and reconnecting it  after a few minutes, it resets the ECU's clock since it doesn't have backup power.  Removing the battery does not delete DTC memory nor the learnt ECU adaptation values so its quit safe to do. It however triggers a  manufacturer specific 18010 DTC - Power Supply Terminal 30 missing, or a generic P1602 DTC -Voltage too Low, Intermittent  which will be sen the next tie you connect to a scan tool.



Normally whenever the ECU detects a fault, like a missing pulse or an intermittent connection it calculates a substitute value from other available signals and makes an emergency running mode available to keep the vehicle driving.  I have noticed what's different between the electronic Drive by Wire systems and the rest of the on-board systems is that the ECU does not provide a substitute signal for torque related  / electronic drive by wire faults. So if either  G79 or G185 or both fails,  it results in no throttle response but the ECU does not generate a substitute signal, it rather just goes into emergency mode and switches on the EPC light. Like wise if G187 or G188 or both fails also, resulting in no throttle response the ECU again does not generate a substitute signal but rather goes into emergency mode and switches on the EPC light. When N30, N31, N32 or N33 fails or any of the the Ignition Coils fails, the  EPC light as well as the Mil light switches on but since the engine runs rough, its easy to isolate and remedy. When the wastegate bypass regulator valve or the fuel pressure regulator valve  fails, frustrating limp mode and the EPC light once again spoils your day.


Saturday, June 29, 2013

EPC LIGHT - REVISITED


VW POLO EPC LIGHT 

Most VW Polo, Golf, Audi, Passat and  Skoda  vehicles and probably every other VAG cars appears to have problems lately. In one sentence, the most common of these problems seems to be on obd diagnostics the culprit being the  wiring that interconnect all the electronic modules, aka the OBD II / CANbus. Virtually every car diagnostic test done on several different VAG cars produced the same faults. This implies that they are common, since they are recurring on different owners cars.  I can relate to this from my Television engineering days, when several same-make and same-model televisions all appeared to give the same problems. These VAG cars all seemed to have Intermittent / Implausible messages on the Data Bus and its highly unlikely that it could be the electronic modules themselves that are intermittent. Should this be the case, each and every one of these VAG cars then needs to be recalled because it looks like a defective design or assembly line problem.  But that's  wishfully thinking on my part which will obviously be met with and answer like - highly unlikely.

Wiring harnesses and cable assemblies for electrical buses interconnecting several MOSFET fast switching electronic modules each having an edge connector / plug whether it is gold plated or not, has parasitic capacitance. Add this  to the edge connector resistance and crimped wire contacts inside the plugs makes for interesting intermittent connections. The following list are faults /errors  that showed up on diagnostic tests on cars with EPC light problems, which  gives you some idea what I'm referring to. I've  abbreviated "Powertrain Data Bus" to PDB: in order to stop each fault from running onto two lines. Excessive comms errors and internal control module memory error intermittent are common faults caused by wiring harnesses.



SCAN TOOL ERROR CODES

1) 01312 - Powertrain Data Bus:  - Faulty

2) 18034 - PDB: error P1626 Missing Message from TCU  (Transmission Control Unit)
3) 18043 - PDB: error  P1635 Missing Message from A/C Controller
4) 18044 - PDB: error  P1636 Missing Message from Airbag Controller
5) 18058 - PDB: error  P1650 Missing Message from Instrument Cluster
6) 18270 - PDB: error  P1862 Missing Message from Instrument Cluster 

7) 18055 - PDB: error  P1647 Check Coding of ECUs
8) 18056 - PDB: error  P1648 Failure
9) 18045 - PDB: error  P1637 Missing Message from Electric Load Controller
A) 18097 - PDB: error  P1689 Implausible Message from Elect. Load Controller

B) 18104 - PDB: error  P1696 Implausible Message from Steering Column Controller
C) 18107 - PDB: error  P1699 Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics

D) 18057 - PDB: error  P1649 Missing Message from ABS Controller
E) 18259 - PDB: error  P1851 Missing Message from ABS Controller
F) 18090 - PDB: error  P1682 Implausible Message from ABS Controller
G) 18261 - PDB: error  P1853 Implausible Message from ABS Controller

Implausible signal means that it is "intermittent", even intermittent at the time the diagnostic tester was interfacing with the ECU's, TCU's, STC's ABS's, A/C etc... "Missing Message" implies absolutely no contact (Open Circuit) with the respective modules at the time of testing. Since VAG cars became inundated with electronic modules, our individual cars each have a few hundred more electrical connections than the previous generation of cars each and everyone of them subject to the tresses and strains of  the bumps on uneven roads and spirited driving. Add engine heat, steam, dampness and other weather conditions to this equation and suddenly these connections become tarnished over time. Tarnished connections are certainly not electrically sound and one way to clean these contacts is with contact spray but graphite or a grey ink rubber would be more effective to clean the tarnish off the gold plated PCB edge connectors. The Bentely VW manual suggest replacement of the whole wiring harness if  any problems arise but it comes at a cost of  $798.00 and that's for a 2007 VW Polo highline. I would hate to know what it would cost for a 2013 Volkswagen Touareg or 2013 Volkswagen Amrok not to mention 2013 Audi A8 or Audi TT .

VAG cars are really nippy and a joy to drive and I'm certain the bulk of VAG car owners enjoy spirited driving but many many VAG car driver probably regret this since they only experienced  EPC light troubles after they did some real spirited driving. I know this is absolutely true for Audi TT drivers who complained that their cars were fin until they gave it a nice workout. It is obvious centrifugal force, torque, tension, flexing, wind resistance and inertia plays their respective roles on the plugs and connectors. The EPC Light problems above, D through G appears to dictate that the ABS Controller is faulty or its edge connector / plug is faulty or the harness is faulty. B through C suggest that the Steering Wheel Controller is faulty or its edge connector / plug is faulty or the harness is faulty is causing the EPC light  to light up. Numbers 5&6 seems to favour the Instrument Cluster as faulty or its edge connector / plug is faulty or the harness is faulty which causes the EPC light to light up. Number 9 and letter A seems to blame the Electric Load Controller for triggering the EPC light. Numbers 1-4 and 7&8 seems to suggest some other electronic module caused the EPC light to light up. All these modules have one thing in common, they are all associated with the Powertrain Data Bus. In essence any module associated with the Powertrain Data Bus can cause the EPC light on VW Polo or other VAG cars to trigger.


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