Tuesday, July 28, 2015

EPC HELP

EPC HELP Q & A

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Question?

My name is Lilian. I bought a 2001 Volkswagen Beetle a few months back. Now it loses power whenever that EPC light and check engine light switches on. Lately it happens more  often, so I switch it off and after a while start it again and it drives ok for only a few miles. I just cant go on like this, its upsetting to the point that I can cry. The VW Beetle club members say its the throttle body, so my friend replaced it for me.  It was really expensive from the agents so a got a used one from the junk yard. It fixed the problem, or rather so I thought because after about 200 miles the problem is starting again. Now I feel helpless. Pleeeez help me. Pleez Pleeez Pleez!

Answer!

Hi Lil sorry to hear about your troubles. As much as I would like to help you, you gave me way too little information to steer you in the right direction. A diagnostic scan of the VW would have really been helpful but since you don't have one, fixing it is going to mere guess work. EPC faults, can be solved by a process of elimination and since you replaced the throttle body and it lasted for 200 miles, without a problem, it is very likely that it was the throttle body that was faulty but the question is, did your friend do the adaptation so that the ECU can properly interface and control it? Sounds like this is your problem. You need to take it to a diagnostics equipt workshop to have the throttle body adaptation reset. I'm almost certain that would solve your problem.
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Question?

Me Zoe, I got Vw beetle, make power loss and make  EPC dashboard light on. I read  VW forum say was cause by brake light switch. I take my mechanic, he  say no fix, take  VW agents they recall VW Beetles with brake light switch problem. Me very lucky, VW agent replace it free but EPC problem no fix and now more worse. Happen every day. You me help. I you kiss.

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Hello Zoe thank you, I am flattered that you want to kiss me. I have to tell you though, that the brake light switch has little to do with the EPC problem you are experiencing. The brake light normally has an influence on speedo-cruise and has nothing to do with EPC faults which are rather confined to the non-emission related components involved with fuel delivery and torque delivery. The variables are just too many to even guess what it could be. It could be one of many things that could be causing your problem. Even something as minor as a bit of dirt restraining your throttle control butterfly could cause a EPC problem.  Right now you problem could be anything from the crankshaft position sensor to the accelerator pedal position sensor. From your throttle body to the electrical connections, from your high pressure fuel pump to the ECU. I would suggest you have a  scan done then send it to me, perhaps we can try once again to define your EPC problem. I hope you understand my explanation. Cheers Zoe.
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Question?

Hola mi amigo, tengo un problema en el polo de mi mujer, y es que se queda al arrancarlo por la mañana del garaje o cuando esta una tarde entera como hoy en la calle que ya hace freskito, como si no subiese de revoluciones,como muy flojo, si le aceleras lo calas, o aveces hace pequeñas detonaciones por el escape, esto le dura unos 20 segundos y ya se espavila. Es un polo 1.4i 80cv, tiene 20milkm, y no ha tenido otro fallo. Posibilidades? 1º Yo creo que puede ser sensor de temperatura de inyeccion, aunque me funcione bien la abuja que mide la temperatura del agua?. 2º bobina? No se que mas podria ser, en dias normales, o si lo arrancas despues de 3 horas o 10 minutos ya va perfecto. Le meti el VAGCOM y no me dio ningun tipo de error. Espero vuestras respuestas


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Hola a ti. Primero quiero  decir, hablo espanol un poquito pero voy a probar ayudar. Sin error del VAGCOM es mas dificil decir. Apuesto a que es problema de encendido pero dudo es la bobina si le dura de problema porque es solo 20 segundos.  Posiblemente son los bujias o la RON de gasolina no es correcto o tienes agua en la gasolina. Pequeñas detonaciones por el escape no es normal especialmente baja 20milkm. ¿qué pasa con su recien garantía?



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Question?

Hello there, I hope you can shed some light on my problem, I'm having a mini crises with my Seat 1.8L Toledo. The EPC light came on yesterday, but when I turned the engine off and restarted, the EPC light went off and everything was fine until this morning. On my way to work  the car had a jerky/shudder and at that very moment the TC and EPC light came on and I lost power so that it would only rev to  2500 rpm. As a result I limped home them  I plugged in my VAGCOM. Very surprisingly there were no faults. So I decided to take the Toledo back on the road but when I turned on the ignition, the EPC/EM/TC lights came on. So once again I plugged  in my VAGCOM and the DTCs listed below was present. So I cleaned the Throttle Body and  checked the Throttle Body on group 060 and the adaptation field was showing 'ERROR'. What do I do now because I'm totally stuffed and need  a quick fix. Any light you can shed on this problem would be much appreciated.

VAGCOM: Chassis Type: 1M - Seat Leon/Toledo
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 17 19 22 35 36 37 46 56

VIN: VSSZZZ1MZ3R1XXXXX Mileage: 164400km-102153miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06A-906-032-AJQ.lbl
Part No: 06A 906 032 MJ
Component: 1.8L R4/5VT 01 0003 
Coding: 11510
Shop #: WSC 80179 
VSSZZZ1MZ3R1XXXXX SEZ7Z0C2XXXXX

4 Faults Found:
17967 - Throttle Body (J338): Fault in basic settings 
P1559 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17987 - Throttle Actuator (J338): Adaptation Not Started 
P1579 - 35-00 - - 
17579 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle Actuator (G188) Implausible Signal 
P1171 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17951 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187): Signal too Small 
P1543 - 35-00 - - 

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Answer!

Hi Wayne, I'm glad to see that you uploaded your scan. Since the rest of your electronic modules have "No fault code found" beneath them, it essentially means that they are all OK. And seeing that you own a VAGCOM, I take it for granted that you may have had prior DTC which you erased. Erasing DTCs are OK but bear in mind that you also erase all values learnt by the ECU associated with your driving style including adaptation values.  The throttle body therefore needs to be re-adapted every time codes are cleared or control module  or battery power is disconnected. As the automatic adaptation software procedure runs, the control module learns the full range of throttle positions. So from what I can see above, the Idle Speed Control Throttle Position cannot be determined which could mean adaption needs to be done, or that the potentiometers in the throttle body may be near end of life. Overtime the slider wears through the carbon track so it makes intermittent contact and stymies the ECU. But before we condemn the throttle body, I need you to disconnect your battery at the earth terminal so that you can hard reset all the electronic modules. Make certain that the ignition is off  then reconnect the battery. Redo a scan and if all goes well, you will once again see your original 4 faults and 1  additional fault that looks something like "Supply Voltage Terminal 30: Signal Outside Specifications - attery/Generator supply faulty". This is absolutely normal because the ECU detected that the battery was disconnected. Plug in VAGCOM switch on the ignition but do not start the engine. Select VAGCOM 04-Basic Settings - which displays the Measuring Value Block screen. Select Measuring Value Block 060 (or 98) which displays the Basic Setting Value Block screen.  Channel 4 will display the word“Running” and other channels will display  the state of the throttle valve angle sensors but will change as the throttle is actuated by the ECM.  Please do not touch the throttle pedal nor turn  ignition key off during the adaptation because the throttle body adaptation relearn process is essential and may prevent the engine from starting if interrupted. If the adaptation was successful, Channel 4 will have changed from “Running” to “OK”. Display 3 would read "idle" and 1 & 2 display voltages levels, normally less than 5 Volts.  Logout, turn the ignition key off and wait about 1 minute seconds, to ensure that adaptation settings are saved then start the car. If however, it still shows "error" inspect the throttle body actuator connector contacts for damage or corrosion and make certain its contacts are secure then try to set adaptation again. If it still shows "error" clean the throttle body and check for wiring harness between the throttle body and the control module. Retry adaptation once again. As a last resort replace the throttle body because the potentiometers cannot be replaced as a separate item nor is it available for sale as a separate item. I hope this helps.

7 comments:

  1. LEONARDO
    I'm having similar problems with my vw polo 2006 model 9nbky ref I imported from japan .I showed the epc light and Engines check light ..so I drove it to to vw audi work shop and he road tested the vehicle and said my car was new it drive well it sounds to him it was false sensors so he proceeded in removing the battery terminals whilst the ignition key is on as he said the is for the computer box to clear the false sensors and it seemed working the lights went off. After a month on my way to work the lights appeared again epc and engine check but this time when I approaching humps or when I slows down on about to halt it looses power and cuts acceralation.so I wait a while and start the engine again it drives normally but with lights on so can you assist me with ideas on what's is going

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    1. Hi Leonardo

      The mere fact that EPC light and Engines check light can on, make me think that one of the Fuel Injectors can be failing, or Fuel Pressure Regulator Valve is playing up, on Wastegate Bypass Regulator Valve is intermittent, or even the accelerator pedal sensors or the throttle body sensors needs replacement. Also check the Engine Component Power Supply Relay.

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  2. Hi,
    I have a VW polo 1.4 petrol 2012 r6 Auto, UK model. I was driving the car when all of a sudden the car widows would not go up and eventually the car just stopped and would not start again, had it towed back home, where I called a mobile mechanic, he did some diagnostics and provided the following details;
    Did OBD test and got the following codes P0686 ecm pcm power relay circuit low, P2505 ecm pcm power input signal P2507 ecm pcm power input signal low P2509 ecm pcm power input signal intermittent U0100 lost communication with the ecm pcm. The tcm was operating fine as i could still select gears The lights and dash operate fine. Car does not start, car central locking and electric windows don't work.
    I'm not sure if the car can be repaired economically, as I don't have any other car may have to scap it. Advice appreciated.

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    1. Hi faz man

      I so sorry to hear you having grief with your fairly new Polo R6, but scraping it is certainly an overkill for the problem you experiencing. The P0686 error reports that ECM Power Relay Control Circuit (J271) is short to Ground and the other three P2505, P2507 and P2509 are also ECM/PCM Power Signal related, each reporting; no signal, low signal and signal intermittent respectively. What's very possible is that the relay's contacts were chattering hence it stored 3 DTCs. Anyway, if the ECM relay is faulty, the engine definitely wont start because there will be no terminal 30 supply to the ECM. The ECM relay also sends power to the inlet camshaft timing adjustment valve (N205) which controls the oil feed to your camshafts. Loss of electrical connection to the camshaft adjusters result in inadequate oil pressure, and therefore no camshaft adjustment. The ECU will prevent this from happening by inhibiting the engine from starting. So check camshaft timing adjustment valve and wiring on the plug and the relay contacts, if needs be, replace both.

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  3. Appreciate the quick response and assistance. I originally thought it was the j271 ecm relay, however, I couldn't locate this either in the engine bay or behind the steering. The mechanic also didn't know where the relay was as he mentioned that vw tend not to move this around and change the number stamped on it, with the newer polo. Originally i was looking for the 460 relay which in thought was the ecm relay, however couldn't locate this either. Would you happen to know where this is located and what number I should be looking? Thanks

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    1. Relay 460 is located under the dashboard on the drivers side at what is called slot B9, Check my latest blog on relays for the numbers of other relays. Cheers.

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  4. Many thanks (jzk), for the quick responses. I'll take a look and see if I can see the relay. In the meantime, I have send off the Ecu to be tested, will provide an update once they get back to me.

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