Sunday, July 12, 2015

TORQUE RELATED EPC ISSUES

FUEL PRESSURE EPC PROBLEMS

EPC problems are a pain in the butt, they just complicate your life, make you late for appointments, leave you stranded on highways when you least expect it.  Makes you curse and cuss and make you want to fit a accelerator cable but these issues as not limited to VAG cars, as can be seen in the pics. At times EPC faults even endanger your life when they occur on the freeways, especially in fast flowing traffic when limp mode doesn't even enable you to get your vehicle off the road and out of harms way quick enough as not to be the cause of an accident. EPC fault are so darn frustrating. EPC faults are so  time consuming and EPC faults are so expensive to repair, hence many a VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat driver attempts to self diagnosis and repair their own vehicles. I have found that EPC faults can be really crappy to diagnose because the ECU's  firmware and switching hardware is in control and operates at high speed and therefor cannot be measured, unless you have a multi-channel digital storage oscilloscope. Since there are not ECU timing charts available to accurately pinpoint the causes of ECU problems, we hear many stories, in which the VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat agents are stymied by the EPC light, loss of acceleration and limp mode home. Several Audi, VW, Seat and Skoda driver can relate such stories. Stories  of taking their vehicles to the relevant sevice agent only to be told that they found nothing wrong, with the car, they then clear the DTCs saying it was just a sporadic / isolated event or often times they suspect and change some expensive components,  exorbitantly  bill for it, yet never solve the problem because within two or three days the EPC problem strikes again. This peculiarity of the EPC problem tends to go away the following day and the car drives as if there was never any problem. It is so intermittent that the vehicle just borders on becoming unreliable. That really sucks.


What I have found,  is that when an EPC related problem occurs, a DTC is flagged and stored in memory for later retrieval, meanwhile the EPC light is triggered and stays on, with the result that the engine only revs to 1200 RPM. Since the light is already on, even if a second or third EPC problem occurs, there is no way to tell because additional EPC problems won't make the yellow /amber EPC light glow any brighter. However if the DTC of the first EPC fault is different from the second of third, additional DTCs will be observed when the memory is retrieved. Should an EPC fault occur and trigger the EPC light, and a second is not undetected over a successive distance of approximately 1000 km, it is automatically erased from the memory and the EPC light will go off. EPC light problems are predominantly found on electronic Drive by Wire systems because they are torque driven. Whenever a problem occurs in the electronic Drive by Wire circuit, the EPC circuit / system acts as a safety measure to prevent injury to the occupants and the car itself by going into limp mode.


It is quite common for the PWM Signal from the ECU to the fuel pump control module to fail, resulting in the EPC light switching on and the vehicle going into limp mode. It is quite easy to verify whether or not the ECU was at fault because by disconnecting the battery and reconnecting it  after a few minutes, it resets the ECU's clock since it doesn't have backup power.  Removing the battery does not delete DTC memory nor the learnt ECU adaptation values so its quit safe to do. It however triggers a  manufacturer specific 18010 DTC - Power Supply Terminal 30 missing, or a generic P1602 DTC -Voltage too Low, Intermittent  which will be sen the next tie you connect to a scan tool.



Normally whenever the ECU detects a fault, like a missing pulse or an intermittent connection it calculates a substitute value from other available signals and makes an emergency running mode available to keep the vehicle driving.  I have noticed what's different between the electronic Drive by Wire systems and the rest of the on-board systems is that the ECU does not provide a substitute signal for torque related  / electronic drive by wire faults. So if either  G79 or G185 or both fails,  it results in no throttle response but the ECU does not generate a substitute signal, it rather just goes into emergency mode and switches on the EPC light. Like wise if G187 or G188 or both fails also, resulting in no throttle response the ECU again does not generate a substitute signal but rather goes into emergency mode and switches on the EPC light. When N30, N31, N32 or N33 fails or any of the the Ignition Coils fails, the  EPC light as well as the Mil light switches on but since the engine runs rough, its easy to isolate and remedy. When the wastegate bypass regulator valve or the fuel pressure regulator valve  fails, frustrating limp mode and the EPC light once again spoils your day.


Thursday, June 11, 2015

AUDI EPC LIGHT PROBLEMS


AUDI EPC LIGHT

It is common knowledge that EPC light problems have been haunting Audi drivers incessantly for the past few years, announcing itself on Audi A1,  Audi A2, Audi A3,  Audi A4,  Audi A5, Audi A6,  Audi A7,  Audi A8,  Audi Q3,  Audi Q5, Audi Q7, the Audi RS4,  Audi RS6, Audi RS8, Audi R8, Audi S4, Audi S6, Audi S8 and Audi  TTs even before they're run-in. Several Audi owners are dismayed that EPC problems present themselves on virtually new cars. 

In fact, EPC problems pop-up at any time, on any Audi new or old fitted with X-by-Wire technology. Any Audi  without a throttle cable, is naturally fitted with a full Drive-by-Wire system which is supervised by the Electronic Control Circuit (EPC)  / Electronic Throttle Control (ETC)  that turns on the dashboard mounted EPC (K132) indicator light when it detects a malfunction, then registers Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC)  in the ECM memory.  Even though the EPC light turns on exclusively for  non-emission related faults, it does however turn on along with the MIL for emission related faults. 

The EPC  / ETC is a torque monitoring circuit and monitors for torque discrepancies and torque inefficiencies and when it detects one, sends the vehicle into emergency running mode (limp mode). These are prevalent when towing, when driving up an incline, when in manual mode, when in cruise control, after spirited driving, etc, and may even cause the ABS, ESP   lights to came on. Some drivers, assume  that it's happening more frequently over time and others are concerned that the EPC trouble are going to get worse because of its  randomness. But this is not the case. 

Bear in mind that once the EPC light is on, no other EPC related fault is going to make it glow any brighter. Once it's on, it's stays on even if the battery is disconnected, and it will come back on when you reconnect. However, the ECU will monitor the EPC circuit and if the same error does not occur in three successive trips of at least 7 kilometers, it will erase the DTC and it would seem as if it never happened, until the next time.  These are safely features specific to Drive by Wire systems and their workings can be viewed in the adaptation groups when retrieving errors with a scan tool.

ADAPTATION GROUPS PERTAINING TO EPC

Group 60 -- Throttle Valve Adjuster / Adaptation Epc-system
Group 61 -- Epc-system / Throttle Valve Adjuster (System 1) 
Group 62 -- Epc-system / Throttle Valve Adjuster (System 2)
Group 63 -- Kickdown Function
Group 66 -- Cruise Control Status

AUDI EPC LIGHT RELATED DTC

18039 / P1631 - Accelerator Position Sensor (G79): Signal too High 
18041 / P1633 - Accelerator Position Sensor 2 (G185) Signal too Low
18042 / P1634 - Accelerator Position Sensor 2 (G185): Signal too High
18047 / P1639 - Accelerator Position Sensor 1/2 (G79/G185): Implausible Signal 
 00777 - Accelerator Position Sensor (G79): Implausible Signal

No response from the throttle even with your foot flat on the accelerator pedal.. There are two potentiometers fitted to the accelerator pedal which are monitored by the ECU and when it it detects an intermittent signal from one pot, it turns on the EPC light then uses the second pot for acceleration but it is limited. When both pots detected as are intermittent, EPC light goes on and engine only runs at idle speed. When this error occurs, turn the engine off, stomp on the accelerator a few times through its full travel.  It could just be specks of dust that settled on the one of the potentiometer (variable resistors) tracks that stymied the ECU for a few millisecond or so. I this happens often and thereafter, presenting a 18047 / P1639 or 18039 / P1631 or 18042 / P1634 or 18041 / P1633 then consider replacing the accelerator pedal.

No response from the throttle even with your foot flat on the accelerator pedal. There are also two redundant potentiometers in the throttle body that determines the throttle valve angle and it has three modes of failure. One for when the valve angle sensor fails, one for when throttle valve actuator (motor) malfunctions and one for when throttle valve position is cannot be recognized by the ECU. When this happens  the ECU shuts off the voltage supply to the actuator, causing the throttle valve to defaults to mechanical stop position and the engine speed is limited to 1200 RPM. If any of the DTC fault below show up in your scan, check the 6 pin plug interfacing with the throttle bodyIt would be best to redo adaptation thereafter before thinking of replacing the throttle body. 

000289 / P0121- Throttle Position Sensor (G69): Implausible Signal - Intermittent
16506 / P0122 - Throttle Position Sensor (G69): Signal too Low - Intermittent
17987 / P1579 - Throttle Actuator (J338): Adaptation Not Started - Intermittent
17976 / P1568 - Throttle Actuator (J338): Mechanical Failure 
17972 / P1564 - Throttle Actuator (J338): Under-Voltage during Basic Setting 
17952 / P1544 - Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187): Signal too Large - Intermittent
16606 / P0222 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle (G188): Signal Too Low - Intermittent
000547 / P0223 - Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle (G188):Signal Too High - Intermittent
17581 / P1173 -  Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle Actuator (G188) Signal too High 
18042 / P1634 - Accelerator Position Sensor 2 (G185): Signal too High 

You have difficulty starting but eventually does start but idles very rough, bucks and surges when you attempt to drive it. The   EPC, MIL (Check engine light)  and ESP lights come on. This is most likely caused by the Injectors  N30-N33 or the Ignition Coils N (1st cylinder), N128 (2nd cylinder), N158 (3rd cylinder) and N163 (4th cylinder) since both the Injectors and Ignition coils causes exactly the same symptoms. It also   exhibit the following DTCs.

17633 / P1225 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 1 (N30): Short to Ground  - - Intermittent
17634 / P1226 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 2 (N31): Short to Ground  - - Intermittent
17635 / P1227 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 3 (N32): Short to Ground  - - Intermittent
17636 / P1228 - Fuel Injector for Cylinder 4 (N33): Short to Ground  - - Intermittent

MORE EPC PROBLEMS

J757 Engine Component Power Supply Relay cause loss of  high-pressure and turns on EPC. ESP and MIL lights.

N75 Solenoid valve for charge pressure limitation and turns on the  EPC and MIL lights but shown no symptoms of failure except go into limp mode. 


Audi A1, Audi A2, Audi A3, Audi A4, Audi A5, Audi A6, Audi A7, Audi A8, Audi Q3, Audi Q5, Audi Q7, the Audi RS4, Audi RS6, Audi RS8, Audi R8, Audi S4, Audi S6, Audi S8 and Audi  TTs EPC Problems.